Feminism

[The Bedge]

Well the 12 months off surreptitiously turned into nearly 18 months somehow

Stop using big words lol..

[HH3]

Which assertion?

I don't understand what you think should happen? Do you want females paid more per hour for part time work or not working at all, so they earn the same as a male that works 40+ hours a week? Or vise versa. Males that don't work as many hours to be paid more per hour than females that work full time?

I really don't understand what you think the goal should be?

I want to understand though.

If you go onto a job panel at work you need to do bias training and quite often names are removed from applications. Things like that can make a difference.

I don't believe in paying women more, I'm just pointing out that there is still a bias in some areas where, even after controlling for life circumstances, there is a pay difference.

Ie if you only took into account women who did not want to have kids there is still a difference. Maybe they get passed up for opportunities due to the perception they might leave and have kids.

I don't have the answers I'm just challenging your assertion that it's not still a problem in some areas

Do you have evidence for your assertion Bennymacca?

What I'm saying is the "facts and figures" presented to "prove" the "gender pay gap" are bullshit, and don't mean anything.

How many asians get paid more than lebanese? Where's the "race pay gap" figures? Because I'm sure if you added every asian persons wage up and took away every Lebanese persons wage, there would be a "gap".

Of course there's bias in workplaces, but it's not systematic, it's personal opinions, so good luck ever doing anything about it. I've been unsuccessful at interviews, and I can think of at least three or four where my lack of cleavage probably played a part. I can't change that (cheaply anyway).

Until you have cases where workplaces have policies that openly discriminate due to gender, or females in identical roles in the same company getting paid less than males, there's nothing anyone will ever be able to do to change it.

[amber_fluid]

Do people with big dicks get paid more than people with little dicks??

I knew I wasted my time studying..........

[HH3]

Do people with big dicks get paid more than people with little dicks??

I knew I wasted my time studying..........

Dunno, but they should pay more. My jaw gets really sore sometimes.

[valleys07]

Maybe they get passed up for opportunities due to the perception they might leave and have kids.

I cannot contribute too much to this debate, but I know for a fact that this happens.

[HH3]

Maybe they get passed up for opportunities due to the perception they might leave and have kids.

I cannot contribute too much to this debate, but I know for a fact that this happens.

Probably, but those sorts of biases aren't exclusive to women.

I know a certain workplace that only would hire women because they didn't want guys working in the retail part. Even though most of the clientele are males. (not a strip joint). A 30 year old male who had experience and was willing to take the award rate was turned down in favour of a 20 year old woman at a higher pay rate.

The law's already in place to combat these bias's, but only if they're reported and can be proven.

[valleys07]

Probably, but those sorts of biases aren't exclusive to women.

Nor are all the recruiters male.

[MW]

Maybe they get passed up for opportunities due to the perception they might leave and have kids.

I cannot contribute too much to this debate, but I know for a fact that this happens.

My wife got told by her boss during an argument about how the business was going, words to the effect "it's your fault for having so many kids"

[HH3]

Maybe they get passed up for opportunities due to the perception they might leave and have kids.

I cannot contribute too much to this debate, but I know for a fact that this happens.

My wife got told by her boss during an argument about how the business was going, words to the effect "it's your fault for having so many kids"

If she chose to, she could have had got him in trouble for discrimination, because of the current laws in place that people seem to ignore exist to allow themselves to argue with people.

https://www.ag.gov.au/RightsAndProtecti ... n-Law.aspx

(its not Wikipedia, but it's almost as good)

[MW]

I should say it's her ex-boss and she has the conversation on tape (secretly recorded it based on previous conversations)
Not worth the hassle, she's in a much better place now

[HH3]

Here's a tidbit that demonstrates the rights that females have had since 1984 that seem to be forgotten.

From the SA Equal Opportunity Commission

Example (indirect discrimination)

A factory announced that workers with ten continuous years service would get a pay rise. More women than men had interrupted their service to have children, so fewer women got the rise. Female workers could claim they were indirectly discriminated against by the factory.

[Jimmy_041]

Maybe they get passed up for opportunities due to the perception they might leave and have kids.

I cannot contribute too much to this debate, but I know for a fact that this happens.

My wife got told by her boss during an argument about how the business was going, words to the effect "it's your fault for having so many kids"

If she chose to, she could have had got him in trouble for discrimination, because of the current laws in place that people seem to ignore exist to allow themselves to argue with people.

https://www.ag.gov.au/RightsAndProtecti ... n-Law.aspx

(its not Wikipedia, but it's almost as good)

Not true if its not in Wikipedia

[bennymacca]

wikipedia is more accurate than traditional encyclopedias

not saying you should trust everything on there, far from it, but on the whole it is an excellent resource and first port of call.

If you have studied or work in a technical area (such as engineering) you will use it almost daily

[HH3]

Considering anyone can change Wikipedia pages to suit their own opinion, I never use it to research any emotionally charged topics.

And I'm 90% sure it's not allowed to be used as a reference in any form of tertiary study.

[HH3]

This is from Wikipedia itself, so I dont know if it can be trusted

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Academic_use

Wikipedia is not considered a credible source. Wikipedia is increasingly used by people in the academic community, from freshman students to professors, as an easily accessible tertiary source for information about anything and everything. However, citation of Wikipedia in research papers may be considered unacceptable, because Wikipedia is not considered a credible or authoritative source.[1][2][3]
This is especially true considering anyone can edit the information given at any time, and although most errors are immediately fixed, some errors maintain unnoticed. However, it can be noted that Wikipedia's Good Articles and Featured Articles are some degree more advanced, professional, and generally more credible than an article not labeled Good or Featured. It is because these articles are reviewed heavily and edited many, many times, passing various "tests" before being confirmed Good or Featured, that they can be used for some deeper research than usual. It is Wikipedia's Featured Articles that are especially trustworthy in contrast to normal or even good articles, as they have to pass even more rigorous "tests" to become featured, as they are to be "the best of Wikipedia", "a model for other articles", and thus, a much more reliable source than average articles.

[bennymacca]

Considering anyone can change Wikipedia pages to suit their own opinion, I never use it to research any emotionally charged topics.

And I'm 90% sure it's not allowed to be used as a reference in any form of tertiary study.

of course you dont use it as a credible source, and you have to read anything critically.

but its a great starting point - usually has a list of references so you can find the authors of the journals that are referenced etc

[HH3]

Considering anyone can change Wikipedia pages to suit their own opinion, I never use it to research any emotionally charged topics.

And I'm 90% sure it's not allowed to be used as a reference in any form of tertiary study.

of course you dont use it as a credible source, and you have to read anything critically.

but its a great starting point - usually has a list of references so you can find the authors of the journals that are referenced etc

I do use it a fair bit, but mostly general knowledge stuff like obscure baseball players biographies and murderers I see on documentary's.

Anything that's a serious topic, I try to find official credible sources, like the ones I've posted.

At least this has allowed me to talk shit for two days.

I appreciate you benny

[bennymacca]

talking shit is what im good at.

[Booney]

I'm pretty sure I'm 100% correct that one of you is female.

[HH3]

I'm pretty sure I'm 100% correct that one of you is female.

I can be whatever you want for the right price