whufc wrote:Every club can position themselves and market themselves to have money pumped into them. As I said my shit club had a big oppurtunity to get Ambravovich but blew it as usual
So you're agreeing that success in the EPL is determined by if you can lure a rich guy to your club, not by developing players?
Not really Man Utd created all there success on a bunch of home grown talent known as Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, Etc etc
West Ham and Southampton are currently performing extremely well on the back of screwd buys
Money plays a part like as in any sport but it's not the deciding factor
I was reading the other day in the last 5 years that Liverpool and Tottenham have spent the most money in England on transfer fees, has really helped them
whufc wrote:Every club can position themselves and market themselves to have money pumped into them. As I said my shit club had a big oppurtunity to get Ambravovich but blew it as usual
So you're agreeing that success in the EPL is determined by if you can lure a rich guy to your club, not by developing players?
Not really Man Utd created all there success on a bunch of home grown talent known as Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, Etc etc
West Ham and Southampton are currently performing extremely well on the back of screwd buys
Money plays a part like as in any sport but it's not the deciding factor
I was reading the other day in the last 5 years that Liverpool and Tottenham have spent the most money in England on transfer fees, has really helped them
Well it did put Tottenham up the top almost straight away. They just blew it.
You also conceded that West Ham probably wouldn't win anything in the foreseeable future. Im assuming your attitude would change if you guys got a sugar daddy in though.
Tottenham were always around the 5-8 mark it enabled them to push the top 4 for one season
Getting a sugar daddy wouldn't automatically mean anything, there still would be Man City, Man U, arsenal, Chelsea so we would still only be in a battle with them for positions
Dont get me wrong I do enjoy a good game of Aussie Rules, I cant stand the path both the AFL and SANFL are heading though.
One aspect of Aussie Rules I like is the intestity and 50/50 nature of a one of final and the finals series before hand.
What I love about the EPL is the intestity and importance of every game in the season. Every week is another chapter in the story of the year, there very rarely is dead rubbers and due to the nature of Soccer there is very rarely 'gimme' games so every week is full of excitement.
woodublieve12 wrote:i guess people find something to whinge about. Good crowd for the final, more exposure for the sport. First year doing it,, obviously there will be some hiccups...
yep lets still bitch.
Drama for the sake of drama...that's what the world is coming to mate. We just have to get used to it.
It's only coming from the usual source though, so predictable
Couldn't make it to the game, wish I had made more of an effort after watching the second half last night looked like a typical cup game and you could feel the atmosphere. You can see on which game AU's focus was on, last Friday night against Brisbane they were a shadow of what they played in the cup final.
lol this whole thread had only 5 pages of chat for the entire tournament (and the majority of that was about Adelaide city) until the final and now it's the most prestigious trophy in world sport
According to whom? A couple of posters said they're happy Utd. won the Cup, no-one's saying it's the most prestigious trophy in world sport.
whufc wrote:Every club can position themselves and market themselves to have money pumped into them. As I said my shit club had a big oppurtunity to get Ambravovich but blew it as usual
So you're agreeing that success in the EPL is determined by if you can lure a rich guy to your club, not by developing players?
Not really Man Utd created all there success on a bunch of home grown talent known as Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, Etc etc
West Ham and Southampton are currently performing extremely well on the back of screwd buys
Money plays a part like as in any sport but it's not the deciding factor
I was reading the other day in the last 5 years that Liverpool and Tottenham have spent the most money in England on transfer fees, has really helped them
Well it did put Tottenham up the top almost straight away. They just blew it.
You also conceded that West Ham probably wouldn't win anything in the foreseeable future. Im assuming your attitude would change if you guys got a sugar daddy in though.
Tottenham to the top? have you watched an EPL season before? They have made the top 4 once in the last 10 years
Would rather the EPL system than the AFL system. The AFL system is always trying to drag the successful clubs down by way of salary caps and drafts which are a total restraint of trade. Why should a 17yo kid be told that he has to go to Melbourne or another bottom side. Id much rather a league with no cap and no draft
mighty hounds wrote:Tottenham to the top? have you watched an EPL season before? They have made the top 4 once in the last 10 years
Yeah, the year they spent all that money on players that the bottom and middle range clubs couldnt afford.
Well the poor teams need to pull their finger out. Manchester United were broke and playing second division only 30 years ago. They pulled out their finger and started investing more in the junior academies and the rest is history. Man City despite being the wealthiest club on the planet only have a couple of trophies to show for it and are a laughing stock in Europe, money doesnt guarantee success
mighty hounds wrote:Tottenham to the top? have you watched an EPL season before? They have made the top 4 once in the last 10 years
Yeah, the year they spent all that money on players that the bottom and middle range clubs couldnt afford.
Well the poor teams need to pull their finger out. Manchester United were broke and playing second division only 30 years ago. They pulled out their finger and started investing more in the junior academies and the rest is history. Man City despite being the wealthiest club on the planet only have a couple of trophies to show for it and are a laughing stock in Europe, money doesnt guarantee success
Man U did do the hard yards, but you can't say they haven't spent significant coin over the years that lower clubs simply can't afford.
Im not saying they shouldn't do it if its within the rules. Im saying the rules make an uneven comp. This whole discussion started with Whufc saying soccer has even comps, where everyone is given equal opportunities to win, unlike the AFL where the fixture is uneven and skewed.
I agree that the AFL is skewed, but I definitely don't think soccer comps are even.
They are both unequal, but because of different reasons.
Man City are definitely better after they were taken over. Just because they haven't won much, doesn't mean they're in the same boat as the lower teams that have no chance of winning anything.
The EPL competition is equal, the rules are equal, the opportunites are equal, the participants differ.
There are inequalities but they do not lie in the competition unlike our AFL where different clubs have different rules and regulations and restrictions and an evening out of the competition.
I love both codes and the uniqueness of their competition
I am not talking to you for 3 minutes because you punched me in the head and it hurt and that was not okay for you to do
If the rules facilitate clubs being able to gain advantages solely on who their owner is and how much money he has, then it is not an equal comp....in my opinion.
....maybe Im just bitter that Flavio Briatore and Bernie Ecclestone didnt bankroll QPR to the top of the Premier League like everyone thought they would.
whufc wrote:Every club can position themselves and market themselves to have money pumped into them. As I said my shit club had a big oppurtunity to get Ambravovich but blew it as usual
So you're agreeing that success in the EPL is determined by if you can lure a rich guy to your club, not by developing players?
Not really Man Utd created all there success on a bunch of home grown talent known as Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, Etc etc
West Ham and Southampton are currently performing extremely well on the back of screwd buys
Money plays a part like as in any sport but it's not the deciding factor
I was reading the other day in the last 5 years that Liverpool and Tottenham have spent the most money in England on transfer fees, has really helped them
Gotta factor in who was sold to generate those monies to buy players .. Bale and Suarez are pretty special, but I wouldn't be surprised if that stretched far enough (for Liverpool) to include Reina, Torres, Alonso, Mascherano etc.
It's not so much about the transfer fee's anyway, the wage is the key. (Thats not to say we haven't made a shitload of rubbish purchases, particularly in the Hodgson era )
They have made the top 4 once in the last 10 years
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