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Westies doing Westies things, Grade 2 losing the toss and being sent to field quickly dismantled the top order, middle order and lower order to dismiss the Vale lads for 79, Muldoon the chief destroyer with 5/fa, Hewison-Kruger with 3/fa and George with 2/fa. Needing 80 the Tigers quickly chasing the runs down. Vale galant in defeat tried to toil away till the end of the day having the West lads 5/110 and calling stumps, Harrison passing 50. Westies again enjoying the spoils of yet another successful season in Grade 2.

The Main game, Westies restricting Vale to 220 from their 70. While runs on the board you always felt like Westies were the front runners and so was the tale of the Sunday. Passing the score 2/down Lewendon provided great foil for Davies who brought up a splendid, emotional 100 to carry his bat throughout the chase. Unfortunately Vale’s game plan lost wickets at crucial times which halted momentum, time and time again. With the ball an untypical, no plan no preparation Vale were common fodder to the Salisbury West batsmen. As always great turnout at Londonderry Ave.

Only one dayers in all grades next year!!

whufc wrote:Only one dayers in all grades next year!!

Interesting. I personally like half one day and half 2 day like Suburban do.

Arch44 wrote:

whufc wrote:Only one dayers in all grades next year!!

Interesting. I personally like half one day and half 2 day like Suburban do.

So do most of the "cricketers" in the PDCA, only 4 clubs are keen to play two day cricket, I guess largely due to teams not wanting to play against Salisbury West.
They're a bloody good side but there is no one that is scary quick, if you value your wicket you can score despite their relentless bowling attack that bowls to plans and in great areas that will challenge you and make you play with risk.

It's pretty sad that it has come to this, hopefully they can get 6 clubs to continue the format and have a Grade 1, it does level the playing field a bit though having Justin, Travis or Willi only being able to bowl 8 overs along with Justin having to score a little quicker earlier to get a ton.

Lightning McQueen wrote:I guess largely due to teams not wanting to play against Salisbury West.

Don't think that is the case, think it's more that people are just lazy and time poor and CBF standing in the field for 70 overs.

I would've loved to have kept a 2 day side at Enfield - we were better suited to the two day format than one day.. and when we lost the 2 day side, we lost a number of quality players.

The Bedge wrote:

Lightning McQueen wrote:I guess largely due to teams not wanting to play against Salisbury West.

Don't think that is the case, think it's more that people are just lazy and time poor and CBF standing in the field for 70 overs.

I would've loved to have kept a 2 day side at Enfield - we were better suited to the two day format than one day.. and when we lost the 2 day side, we lost a number of quality players.

I'm sticking with my theory.

At a guess it would've been Westies, Virginia, Royals and Angle Vale wanting to keep the traditional format?

I'm sure if Craigmore and ATCO were placed in comps that they could be more competitive in then they'd rather play two-dayers, they have the players that are better suited to that game but will always struggle against Westies and Angle Vale.

Either way, it's going to be interesting to see teams try and explain how crap they are in hope of finding their way down the grades, how do they measure it? Do they look at the one day results from last season to see who the higher ranked Grade 1 sides are? (funny enough, just looking back, Westies didn't lose a one day match).

Lightning McQueen wrote:At a guess it would've been Westies, Virginia, Royals and Angle Vale wanting to keep the traditional format?

I'm sure if Craigmore and ATCO were placed in comps that they could be more competitive in then they'd rather play two-dayers, they have the players that are better suited to that game but will always struggle against Westies and Angle Vale.

What happened to Adelaide Hazara?

The Bedge wrote:

Lightning McQueen wrote:At a guess it would've been Westies, Virginia, Royals and Angle Vale wanting to keep the traditional format?

I'm sure if Craigmore and ATCO were placed in comps that they could be more competitive in then they'd rather play two-dayers, they have the players that are better suited to that game but will always struggle against Westies and Angle Vale.

What happened to Adelaide Hazara?

Not sure yet, I do wonder if they’ll go around again after last seasons semi, definitely a force in the shorter game

I wouldn’t worry about the Craigmore and Atco’s it will be more how the LO1 sides that all pretty much A Grades are going to talk the league into putting them in the lowest divisions possible.

Lightning McQueen wrote:

The Bedge wrote:

Lightning McQueen wrote:I guess largely due to teams not wanting to play against Salisbury West.

Don't think that is the case, think it's more that people are just lazy and time poor and CBF standing in the field for 70 overs.

I would've loved to have kept a 2 day side at Enfield - we were better suited to the two day format than one day.. and when we lost the 2 day side, we lost a number of quality players.

I'm sticking with my theory.

At a guess it would've been Westies, Virginia, Royals and Angle Vale wanting to keep the traditional format?

I'm sure if Craigmore and ATCO were placed in comps that they could be more competitive in then they'd rather play two-dayers, they have the players that are better suited to that game but will always struggle against Westies and Angle Vale.

Either way, it's going to be interesting to see teams try and explain how crap they are in hope of finding their way down the grades, how do they measure it? Do they look at the one day results from last season to see who the higher ranked Grade 1 sides are? (funny enough, just looking back, Westies didn't lose a one day match).

Think you will find it was Westies, Virginia, Craigmore and Royals wanting 2 day cricket.

I think you align clubs A Grades, B Grades, C Grades and so on. Grade 1 stay as Grade 1, maybe pull up a team or two. Grade 2 LO1’s from last year, Grade 3 you may start to see some teams B Grades filtering in. Try, where you can to have a Clubs B Grades playing another clubs B Grade.

May look like;
Grade 1: SW, Virg, AV, Eyre, Craig, ATCO, Dublin, Adelaide Union, Parafield
Grade 2: NEK, Units, PV, SN, Smith, AdelWariors, AdelRisers, Enfield, OTH
Grade 3: Andrews Farm, Two Wells, Peninsular Pirates, Fitzroy, Eastern Park, SW, Virg, AV, Eyre
Grade 4: Craig, ATCO, Dublin, AdelUnion, Parafield, etc.

Also think Grade 1 should be 45 overs, Grades 2-3 40 overs and Grades 4-X 35 overs. Bowlers restricted to 20% of allocated overs and fielding restrictions for Grades 1-3. Colour Kits encouraged and be tight to time restrictions, not the wish-wash that comes with the current set up, promote diversity in the bowling attacks, not just average medium pacers running in off 25 meters.

Move to One Day cricket, drop Two Day cricket because that is what the numbers want, but do it right! Be THE BEST Limited overs comp outside of SACA. Work towards club colours in 2027/28, every club to have a FrogBox and incentivise Grade 1 success so teams are playing their best teams as high as possible and trying to develop the next crop.

Observer55 wrote:

Lightning McQueen wrote:

The Bedge wrote:

Lightning McQueen wrote:I guess largely due to teams not wanting to play against Salisbury West.

Don't think that is the case, think it's more that people are just lazy and time poor and CBF standing in the field for 70 overs.

I would've loved to have kept a 2 day side at Enfield - we were better suited to the two day format than one day.. and when we lost the 2 day side, we lost a number of quality players.

I'm sticking with my theory.

At a guess it would've been Westies, Virginia, Royals and Angle Vale wanting to keep the traditional format?

I'm sure if Craigmore and ATCO were placed in comps that they could be more competitive in then they'd rather play two-dayers, they have the players that are better suited to that game but will always struggle against Westies and Angle Vale.

Either way, it's going to be interesting to see teams try and explain how crap they are in hope of finding their way down the grades, how do they measure it? Do they look at the one day results from last season to see who the higher ranked Grade 1 sides are? (funny enough, just looking back, Westies didn't lose a one day match).

Think you will find it was Westies, Virginia, Craigmore and Royals wanting 2 day cricket.

I think you align clubs A Grades, B Grades, C Grades and so on. Grade 1 stay as Grade 1, maybe pull up a team or two. Grade 2 LO1’s from last year, Grade 3 you may start to see some teams B Grades filtering in. Try, where you can to have a Clubs B Grades playing another clubs B Grade.

May look like;
Grade 1: SW, Virg, AV, Eyre, Craig, ATCO, Dublin, Adelaide Union, Parafield
Grade 2: NEK, Units, PV, SN, Smith, AdelWariors, AdelRisers, Enfield, OTH
Grade 3: Andrews Farm, Two Wells, Peninsular Pirates, Fitzroy, Eastern Park, SW, Virg, AV, Eyre
Grade 4: Craig, ATCO, Dublin, AdelUnion, Parafield, etc.

Also think Grade 1 should be 45 overs, Grades 2-3 40 overs and Grades 4-X 35 overs. Bowlers restricted to 20% of allocated overs and fielding restrictions for Grades 1-3. Colour Kits encouraged and be tight to time restrictions, not the wish-wash that comes with the current set up, promote diversity in the bowling attacks, not just average medium pacers running in off 25 meters.

Move to One Day cricket, drop Two Day cricket because that is what the numbers want, but do it right! Be THE BEST Limited overs comp outside of SACA. Work towards club colours in 2027/28, every club to have a FrogBox and incentivise Grade 1 success so teams are playing their best teams as high as possible and trying to develop the next crop.

You're asking a bit much for some of these guys to work out that equation

Remove Craigmore and ATCO from Grade 1 and add in NEK and I think you have your group. I think it's only fair on those two clubs who have stuck out the hard yards in Grade 1.

I'd say it would be 8 team grades (to allow one each for Eyre Royals), Could make the top two grades 10 I guess to make it an even 18 week season and level playing field.

Smithfield and OTH would get pummeled in Grade 2.

Lightning McQueen wrote:
You're asking a bit much for some of these guys to work out that equation

Remove Craigmore and ATCO from Grade 1 and add in NEK and I think you have your group. I think it's only fair on those two clubs who have stuck out the hard yards in Grade 1.

I'd say it would be 8 team grades (to allow one each for Eyre Royals), Could make the top two grades 10 I guess to make it an even 18 week season and level playing field.

Smithfield and OTH would get pummeled in Grade 2.

Smithfield won Grade 2 a season removed, depends how committed they all are.

I would beg to disagree, ATCO with Shuggman, Blundell, Muldoon theh could be a very different proposition in the Shorter format, a bit of confidence and anything is possible. Craigmore have a good line up, all just lack confidence to take the game on, with One Day cricket their hand is forced and they could quickly improve. I think the current team it hurts the most would be Eyre Royals.

And if the Association put $1500 on a Grade One win, the clubs that have done the hard years may just back themselves in?

Worth noting Enfield were 4th in LO2 last year - wasn't a lot between us and the 4 sides beneath them also... we would get slapped in a second division of a revised one day comp.

LO1
1. Salisbury West
2. Angle Vale
3. Adelaide Hazara
4. Virginia
5. Eyre Royals
6. Craigmore
7. ATCO
8. Dublin

LO2
1. North Pines
2. Salisbury North
3. Adelaide Union
4. NEK
5. Para Vista
6. Parafield Gardens
7. Central United
8. Hazara Pioneers

LO3
1. Smithfield
2. Salisbury West B
3. Angle Vale B
4. Eyre Royals B
5. Craigmore B
6. Adelaide Warriors
7. Adelaide Risers
8. Virginia B

LO4
1. North Pines B
2. Enfield
3. Parafield Gardens B
4. PGCC Titans*
5. OTH
6. ATCO B
7. Adelaide Union B
8. Adelaide Warriors B

LO5
1. Adelaide Risers B
2. Andrews Farm
3. Eyre Royals C
4. Peninsula Pirates
5. Angle Vale C
6. ATCO C
7. PGCC Thunderwolves**
8. Salisbury West C

then so on and so on and so on..

I'm an advocate for the bottom division or two adopting the women's rules of 32 over matches.. perfect for those younger juniors to play in after doing 3hrs in the morning with 14s or 16s .

Game in theory would only go around the 4 hours mark (16 overs an hour) so you'd be home for dinner.. bowlers bowl max 8 overs for the match in spells of no greater than 4.

The Bedge wrote:I'm an advocate for the bottom division or two adopting the women's rules of 32 over matches.. perfect for those younger juniors to play in after doing 3hrs in the morning with 14s or 16s .

Game in theory would only go around the 4 hours mark (16 overs an hour) so you'd be home for dinner.. bowlers bowl max 8 overs for the match in spells of no greater than 4.

Just to be a pain in the arse would you consider doing 2 x 7 and 3 x 6 so that way teams 'have' to use 5 bowlers so more get a bit of a go and then you don't have to have scorers / umpires piss farting around with how many overs have been bowled in a spell.

Always found the less overs in a format the harder it is to get everyone involved which is the number 1 deterrent for people playing the game.

whufc wrote:Just to be a pain in the arse would you consider doing 2 x 7 and 3 x 6 so that way teams 'have' to use 5 bowlers so more get a bit of a go and then you don't have to have scorers / umpires piss farting around with how many overs have been bowled in a spell.

Always found the less overs in a format the harder it is to get everyone involved which is the number 1 deterrent for people playing the game.

Good captains / teams will find a way to ensure equal participation.. it's the players that look for glory that don't like it and would be hampered.

Last year i'd say our C grade side was one of the few in that division that actually shared it around and promoted participation over winning. Of course not that there is anything wrong with winning or playing to win either.

The Bedge wrote:

whufc wrote:Just to be a pain in the arse would you consider doing 2 x 7 and 3 x 6 so that way teams 'have' to use 5 bowlers so more get a bit of a go and then you don't have to have scorers / umpires piss farting around with how many overs have been bowled in a spell.

Always found the less overs in a format the harder it is to get everyone involved which is the number 1 deterrent for people playing the game.

Good captains / teams will find a way to ensure equal participation.. it's the players that look for glory that don't like it and would be hampered.

Last year i'd say our C grade side was one of the few in that division that actually shared it around and promoted participation over winning. Of course not that there is anything wrong with winning or playing to win either.

Very much this Bedge, it’s hard to balance development and success, but strong clubs ensure they have leaders who understand the balance. I think this is where society is failing not just Para Districts, there is zero checks and regulators keeping things in line in our day to day life and things are slipping into Anarchy, today the death of 2 Day cricket, tomorrow the 4 Horsemen may just ride on into town…

The Bedge wrote:

whufc wrote:Just to be a pain in the arse would you consider doing 2 x 7 and 3 x 6 so that way teams 'have' to use 5 bowlers so more get a bit of a go and then you don't have to have scorers / umpires piss farting around with how many overs have been bowled in a spell.

Always found the less overs in a format the harder it is to get everyone involved which is the number 1 deterrent for people playing the game.

Good captains / teams will find a way to ensure equal participation.. it's the players that look for glory that don't like it and would be hampered.

Last year i'd say our C grade side was one of the few in that division that actually shared it around and promoted participation over winning. Of course not that there is anything wrong with winning or playing to win either.

Yep its a delicate and very difficult balance and one often that ends up lose/lose. You make it all about participating and often you will piss off the slightly more talented cricketed. Make it all about winning and you often lose the loyal, hardworker, hard trier less talented cricketer.

Thats why I don't mind the 40 over games as you can tend to get that balance pretty bang on without having to go as hard to one of those extremes.

T20's are an absolute nightmare coz then you also have the I'm not gonna bother giving up half my day to come out and only bowl 4 overs ect ect.

Also, congratulations to Justin Davies, first McKenzie medal - unfathomable, Best on in the Grand Final and in his 10th successful campaign. One Day cricket may be a blessing in disguise for him, Bowl less overs and slide down to 6 or 7, just may see him get through another 10 years of Grade 1 cricket.