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Re: One Division or Two?
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Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:22 pmby fathersonsfl
Dont think there would be enough teams for that.....
Re: One Division or Two?
Posted:
Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:46 pmby Straight Line
fathersonsfl wrote:Dont think there would be enough teams for that.....
Hills central has 10 teams add a couple from country (Hills Div 1), Maybe top 10 from southern (SFL Div1) loose cally and sedan, leaving the others to southern country (Div2) only a thought (never happen)
Re: One Division or Two?
Posted:
Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:50 pmby Esteban Vihaio
Odds of # hills clubs joining SFL
0 - $1.10
1 - $2.50
2 - $2.00
3 - $3.00
4 - $6.00
5 - $15.00
6 - $50
7 - $100
8 - $500
9+ - make your own odds
Re: One Division or Two?
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Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:18 amby LaughingKookaburra
Straight Line wrote:If all these clubs want to join the SFL, then the SFL should talk to HFL about a div 1 hills, div 1 southern and div 2 southern hills comp.
I'm not claiming to be a football league committee know it all, but why would these clubs apparently want to swap leagues? Hills Central is the strongest league outside of SAAFL div 2 in SA. Hills league's issues are div 2.
If I got $10 a year for the amount of times I've heard Blackwood will be joining SFL on these forums I'd shout you all a beer.
Load of s*** IMHO.
Re: One Division or Two?
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Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:41 amby afc9798
LaughingKookaburra wrote:Straight Line wrote:If all these clubs want to join the SFL, then the SFL should talk to HFL about a div 1 hills, div 1 southern and div 2 southern hills comp.
I'm not claiming to be a football league committee know it all, but why would these clubs apparently want to swap leagues? Hills Central is the strongest league outside of SAAFL div 2 in SA. Hills league's issues are div 2.
If I got $10 a year for the amount of times I've heard Blackwood will be joining SFL on these forums I'd shout you all a beer.
Load of s*** IMHO.
You're right, these rumours do happen every year, but this year it's been coming from credible sources. There is obviously some serious issues with HFL management that have lead to a number of clubs looking to change leagues, but it could simply be those clubs putting pressure on the HFL to get what they want.
The SFL is apparently the lowest cost league in the state to enter teams, so maybe this is a factor? Anyway, all speculation until someone actually jumps. For all its faults, the SFL is a pretty well run competition and is also attracting good players and coaches. Big problem to solve is the uncompetitive teams such as Lonsdale, Hackham, Marion and Aldinga who are all the equivalent of a bye for the better clubs.
Re: One Division or Two?
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Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:30 pmby Champ
From the outside looking in I trully believe the SFL has plenty going for it!!
If the stigma of division 2 is to hurtful for clubs to swallow how about simply a Premier Division made up of all the big clubs who have full grades, sponsorship etc (or whatever perameters you want to make) and the rest of the clubs go in to an 'Amateur' division where they compete with other clubs who aren't as well equipped as the Brighton's and Valleys etc.
Clubs from Amateur can apply to go up provided they meet certain criteria just as Premier clubs could apply to go down rather than relegation. If the applications are one sided, no problems - just means everything is sorting itself out. The league could easily make a new draw every year to accommodate and maybe if the dredded football cycle doesnt cause movement then eventually all amateur clubs will have experienced success of some kind while building their club into a power house in the ilk of a premier club - fast forward in 10 years time there could again be one division and this time a thriving one!
Re: One Division or Two?
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Fri Sep 28, 2012 12:58 pmby Animus
another hypothetical...brought to you by spare time & google maps!
SFL Central:
Morphett Vale
Reynella
Cove
Happy Valley
Flaggy
Blackwood
Brighton
Edwardstown
Morphy Park
Mitchell Park/Kenilworth/Colonel Light Gardens
SFL South:
Aldinga
Porties
Christies
Noarlunga
Hackham
Lonsdale
Marion
Kangy
Meadows
Maccy
Hills Central:
Echunga
Mt Barker
Nairne
Hahndorf
Bridgewater
Ironbank
Mt Lofty
Onka Valley
Uraidla
Mitcham
Hills North:
Kersbrook
Torrens Valley
Birdwood
Gumeracha
Lobethal
Modbury
Athelstone
Houghton
Sedan
Hope Valley
Re: One Division or Two?
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Fri Sep 28, 2012 1:42 pmby fisho mcspaz
afc9798 wrote:LaughingKookaburra wrote:Straight Line wrote:If all these clubs want to join the SFL, then the SFL should talk to HFL about a div 1 hills, div 1 southern and div 2 southern hills comp.
I'm not claiming to be a football league committee know it all, but why would these clubs apparently want to swap leagues? Hills Central is the strongest league outside of SAAFL div 2 in SA. Hills league's issues are div 2.
If I got $10 a year for the amount of times I've heard Blackwood will be joining SFL on these forums I'd shout you all a beer.
Load of s*** IMHO.
You're right, these rumours do happen every year, but this year it's been coming from credible sources. There is obviously some serious issues with HFL management that have lead to a number of clubs looking to change leagues, but it could simply be those clubs putting pressure on the HFL to get what they want.
The SFL is apparently the lowest cost league in the state to enter teams, so maybe this is a factor? Anyway, all speculation until someone actually jumps. For all its faults, the SFL is a pretty well run competition and is also attracting good players and coaches. Big problem to solve is the uncompetitive teams such as Lonsdale, Hackham, Marion and Aldinga who are all the equivalent of a bye for the better clubs.
One big issue with the HFL is Callington. Earlier in the year there was a report in the Courier that Cally would be relegated to C grade in 2013 but from what I hear (from an informed source who has been involved with Cally for years until recently), Cally won't go and have engaged lawyers to sue the HFL if the relegation goes ahead. (IMHO they ought to have gone to C grade two or three years ago - I think it's too late for them now, and I don't think too many people will be sorry when they fold.) Other clubs in div 2 are sick of the whole mess and you can't really blame them. As for the clubs in div 1, I wouldn't think this would impact on them; I don't know what their issues are with the league.
Re: One Division or Two?
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Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:31 pmby Panther32
Animus wrote:another hypothetical...brought to you by spare time & google maps!
SFL Central:
Morphett Vale
Reynella
Cove
Happy Valley
Flaggy
Blackwood
Brighton
Edwardstown
Morphy Park
Mitchell Park/Kenilworth/Colonel Light Gardens
SFL South:
Aldinga
Porties
Christies
Noarlunga
Hackham
Lonsdale
Marion
Kangy
Meadows
Maccy
Hills Central:
Echunga
Mt Barker
Nairne
Hahndorf
Bridgewater
Ironbank
Mt Lofty
Onka Valley
Uraidla
Mitcham
Hills North:
Kersbrook
Torrens Valley
Birdwood
Gumeracha
Lobethal
Modbury
Athelstone
Houghton
Sedan
Hope Valley
They actually look pretty spot on there. At first I was going to say Marion should be in the other group on location but on a playing level they are much better suited to that group.
Re: One Division or Two?
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Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:55 pmby On a String
Lots of great ideas on here but is there anything happening beyond this forum to actually put an idea into place? There is many brick walls and dead ends for anything to eventuate. Good luck with it all but I would tip nothing will change.
Re: One Division or Two?
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Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:20 pmby Bluedemon
Animus wrote:another hypothetical...brought to you by spare time & google maps!
SFL Central:
Morphett Vale
Reynella
Cove
Happy Valley
Flaggy
Blackwood
Brighton
Edwardstown
Morphy Park
Mitchell Park/Kenilworth/Colonel Light Gardens
SFL South:
Aldinga
Porties
Christies
Noarlunga
Hackham
Lonsdale
Marion
Kangy
Meadows
Maccy
Hills Central:
Echunga
Mt Barker
Nairne
Hahndorf
Bridgewater
Ironbank
Mt Lofty
Onka Valley
Uraidla
Mitcham
Hills North:
Kersbrook
Torrens Valley
Birdwood
Gumeracha
Lobethal
Modbury
Athelstone
Houghton
Sedan
Hope Valley
Why would Kenilworth join the SFL for? I thought Mitchell Park had their time in the league and wouldnt go back there.
Re: One Division or Two?
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Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:46 pmby scottroo
Colonel Light Gardens are happy in the SAAFL, wouldnt even think of moving
Re: One Division or Two?
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Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:43 pmby LaughingKookaburra
Animus that solution wouldn't stop the floggings. I'd rather go out to Elizabeth for a game that we'd be competitive in than drive to Morphett Vale and get beaten by 20-30 goals any day....
Only way the issue would properly be sorted is if you combined the SFL and SAAFL and have 4 8 division comps for north and 4 8 division leagues for south. Bottom 2 and top 2 rotating each year.
Re: One Division or Two?
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Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:52 pmby Jimmy_041
LaughingKookaburra wrote:Animus that solution wouldn't stop the floggings. I'd rather go out to Elizabeth for a game that we'd be competitive in than drive to Morphett Vale and get beaten by 20-30 goals any day....
Only way the issue would properly be sorted is if you combined the SFL and SAAFL and have 4 8 division comps for north and 4 8 division leagues for south. Bottom 2 and top 2 rotating each year.
Innocent question - Would Morphett Vale beat Kenilworth by 20-30 goals?
What SAAFL Div level would MV be at?
Re: One Division or Two?
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Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:59 pmby Broken Down Hack
Morphett Vale would easily play A2 level....very competitive club with 6 GF appearances in last 7 yrs....5 flags.....currently in rebuilding stage after many retirements..
Re: One Division or Two?
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Sat Sep 29, 2012 12:17 amby LaughingKookaburra
Old Hack I know Morphett Vale are rebuilding and they potentially are the best 9th side to ever play SFL but if you think they are currently @ a competitive A2 standard you're kidding yourself....... A2 is the 2nd best standard in SA behind div 1 from teams 1-10. Morphed @ their best were better than the current leaders and were div 1 standard. @ best they are strong div 3 and I use the 6 goal theory per league on match day.
Re: One Division or Two?
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Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:05 amby Look Good In Leather
LaughingKookaburra wrote:Animus that solution wouldn't stop the floggings. I'd rather go out to Elizabeth for a game that we'd be competitive in than drive to Morphett Vale and get beaten by 20-30 goals any day....
Only way the issue would properly be sorted is if you combined the SFL and SAAFL and have 4 8 division comps for north and 4 8 division leagues for south. Bottom 2 and top 2 rotating each year.
That may work from a senior point of view, but the juniors would be destroyed
Re: One Division or Two?
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Sat Sep 29, 2012 6:49 amby Esteban Vihaio
Look Good In Leather wrote:LaughingKookaburra wrote:Animus that solution wouldn't stop the floggings. I'd rather go out to Elizabeth for a game that we'd be competitive in than drive to Morphett Vale and get beaten by 20-30 goals any day....
Only way the issue would properly be sorted is if you combined the SFL and SAAFL and have 4 8 division comps for north and 4 8 division leagues for south. Bottom 2 and top 2 rotating each year.
That may work from a senior point of view, but the juniors would be destroyed
Re: One Division or Two?
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Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:40 pmby Caramels
Does anyone at Modbury, Houghton, Hope Valley & Athelstone know they are moving into this concoction of an idea.
Both SFL and Hills certainly should have 2 divisions IMO, with promotion and relegation,even if only the GF winner goes up but Hills North only have 4 teams as those mentioned won't leave the SAAFL, it would be a backward step for them with maybe Houghton the only chance to gain any benefit from the move.
Re: One Division or Two?
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Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:07 pmby Look Good In Leather
Caramels wrote:Does anyone at Modbury, Houghton, Hope Valley & Athelstone know they are moving into this concoction of an idea.
Both SFL and Hills certainly should have 2 divisions IMO, with promotion and relegation,even if only the GF winner goes up but Hills North only have 4 teams as those mentioned won't leave the SAAFL, it would be a backward step for them with maybe Houghton the only chance to gain any benefit from the move.
WTF?
Do tell Caramels